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Will there be a big difference between the 20 and 30? Which handles (reduces) surface noise best? The Grado gold appears to be a similar price to the OM30. Which in your opinions should I be looking at?
 
Captainfog said:
Will there be a big difference between the 20 and 30? Which handles (reduces) surface noise best? The Grado gold appears to be a similar price to the OM30. Which in your opinions should I be looking at?
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If you like the sound you have now but want an easy upgrade, get the 20 stylus and call it a day.

If you want something with a warmer smoother sound, get a Grado.
 
Captainfog said:
Ooh interested. I'm tempted by the OM20 purely for the ease of plugging it in. Will switching to something else be tricky?
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It’s fiddley and requires you to be patient and careful but it is equally very doable. If you take a look at the first couple of posts in this thread I put up a video I found helpful and a couple of tips I learned when I did it for the first time last month.
 
Ah this is a fun thread, only just found it.

I have a Pro-Ject The Classic which I added a few additional extras to such as cables (I believe its the 'Connect it – model series C' I went for) and sound dampening feet (the Pro-ject upgrade one). Im currently using the Ortofon 2M-Silver and its great (although I am tempted by the 2M-Red). I used to use a decent vintage pre-amp (with my dads Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1001) but picked up a pair of Kanto YU6 speakers and the built-in pre-amp is fantastic, to the point where a new pre-amp has been knocked down my want list.
 
I've been meaning to get my TT a service because it's developed a knocking noise. Can't see any wires getting in the way of anything. It doesn't happen all the time, about 80% of the time, I reckon. Will take a video and upload not next time it happens.
 
Selaws said:
Ah this is a fun thread, only just found it.

I have a Pro-Ject The Classic which I added a few additional extras to such as cables (I believe its the 'Connect it – model series C' I went for) and sound dampening feet (the Pro-ject upgrade one). Im currently using the Ortofon 2M-Silver and its great (although I am tempted by the 2M-Red). I used to use a decent vintage pre-amp (with my dads Bang & Olufsen Beogram 1001) but picked up a pair of Kanto YU6 speakers and the built-in pre-amp is fantastic, to the point where a new pre-amp has been knocked down my want list.
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According to Ortofon the 2M silver cartridge is basically a red stylus on a silver plastic bit and with an upgraded cartridge body. It was a special bit designed for project. If you do a stylus swap to the red it should be the same sound. The blue is a big upgrade on the red in my experience so if you’re considering a new stylus I’d be looking at a blue whilst there is still plenty of the 100th anniversary discounted stock knocking about.
 
Joe Mac said:
According to Ortofon the 2M silver cartridge is basically a red stylus on a silver plastic bit and with an upgraded cartridge body. It was a special bit designed for project. If you do a stylus swap to the red it should be the same sound. The blue is a big upgrade on the red in my experience so if you’re considering a new stylus I’d be looking at a blue whilst there is still plenty of the 100th anniversary discounted stock knocking about.
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Ah I didnt know that, cheers for the info @Joe Mac. To be honest im really happy with my set up at the moment, for years I had to make do with poor equipment in an even poorer set up - speakers in poor locations, almost touching the turntable etc. I imagine my next move would be a Blue cartridge or (more probably) a dedicated pre-amp. That wont be for a while though.
 
Selaws said:
Ah I didnt know that, cheers for the info @Joe Mac. To be honest im really happy with my set up at the moment, for years I had to make do with poor equipment in an even poorer set up - speakers in poor locations, almost touching the turntable etc. I imagine my next move would be a Blue cartridge or (more probably) a dedicated pre-amp. That wont be for a while though.
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You don’t even need a blue cartridge, red/blue use the same cartridge, just different styli. As the silver is an upgraded red just clip off its stylus and clip on a replacement blue stylus and in effect you have an upgraded blue! The stylus is arround £110. It’s one of those things that you change stylus roughly every 1000 listening hours (works out about yearly for me) so when your sliver is done I’d replace it with a blue rather than red/silver because the blue is far better than the difference in price!

A phono stage is also a really good upgrade. I was shocked at the difference to the sound it made when I first got an outboard stage last year, they are a hugely underrated piece of gear!
 
Captainfog said:
Ooh interested. I'm tempted by the OM20 purely for the ease of plugging it in. Will switching to something else be tricky?
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The A/T will be easier to install vs the Grado because the body is threaded. The Grado is more cumbersome to install because you have to use nuts.

The A/T will be easier to align because the stylus sits proud of the cartridge body. The Grado stylus sits slightly underneath.
 
HiFi Guy said:
Remove the platter. See if the noise persists. If it does, the motor is shot.

If not, it could be that the bearing needs oil.
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I removed the belt so it was just the cog spinning (essential 2 looks like your MoFi with the cog next to the platter) and it carries on making the knocking sound. Then I turned it off and on again and the knocking sound went away. It mysterious! I put the belt back on and it's still not knocking. It'll come back though, always does.
 
If i do need to replace the motor then do I need another essential 2 one or can I put a better one in? The essential 3 apparently had a better motor, could I, for example, fit that?
 
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