Political Discussion
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dbarila
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How do you decide that other stuff in the bill is more important than those things? You know, things that would actually benefit people who need it.
Which lobby group has the most influence/pays the most.
dbarila
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I guess I'm used to thinking like someone with a conscience.
jaycee
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There's no room for empathy (or logic) in the "free" market.
The problem is campaign finance. In an environment where there is little and weak regulation election campaigns have become increasingly complex and expensive. It requires huge finance from the uber rich. No matter how principled you set out to be you owe them once in office if you ever want to be re elected.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Pramilla Jayapal was on the local Seattle news today (she leads the Progressive Caucus) and was saying their current hope for paring down the bill to the 1.9 Trillion price tag is to keep as many things in the bill as possible but then not make them all permanent. So example, allow for the free Junior College for the next 5 year. Once the 5 years are up it would be up to Congress to vote to keep it going. I know the jaded amongst us would likely see this as a half measure that likely would hit the chopping block once the next GOP Congress rises to power but keep in mind that once these programs exist any elimination of them is essentially a tax on the middle and lower class. It’s a lot harder to end these programs once they exist especially if they are proven popular than it is to completely remove them from the package and hope Congress will get to them some time down the road.
Not to mention there is another robot called "Flippy" being heavily invested in right now. It can automate cooking of burgers and fries.
By the time the kids are old enough to have jobs, automation would have taken over.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Yeah, there is a burger place in Seattle the just began using Flippy and the owner claims that he will hire the same about of people he will just have them focus on different areas of running the restaurant which is of course bullshit, check back in 5 years.
Meet 'Flippy': The robot that's cooking burgers at this Shoreline restaurant
The autonomous robot by Miso Robotics will be grilling up burgers and fries at CaliBurger's new Shoreline location.
www.google.com
Other than we rule with capitalism and socialism is inherently evil in our country I have always wondered this. Why is it the things that would make the most difference to people, basic education, social safety nets and whatnot that are always on the chopping block.
Why not defense contracts or other things that only benefit the wealthy or special interest.
I know the answer is money. But is there more to it?
debianlinux
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This is the most dangerous question, right here.
The defense budget didn't get cut at all, even though we are "no longer at war". I believe we kept in the funding for Israel's Iron Dome defense system. We are also getting no prescription drug legislation because Sinema is being paid off by lobbyists.
Ever since the late 80's, we've been obsessed with next quarter and only next quarter because CEO compensation started being tied to the stock value. Since then, our politicians have been unable to think about what will happen in 10 or 5 years, and instead focus on financially leveraging things to benefit the most for next quarter. Things like investing in children and education who's benefits will not materialize next quarter, seems to be too hard for their brains. So we are stuck in a loop of short sightedness that becomes increasingly bought and controlled by corporate interests who are only concerned with stock dividends--each quarter. Our government is incapable of seeing past that, because with the neoliberal doctrine of making governments more like businesses, our officials increasingly take cues from the corporate world; thus perpetuating this cycle.
I really think this should be their strategy. Give people 2 years of CC free, continue the child tax credits, and I've even heard that some people are proposing funding M4A, but only for 2 years. Then let people vote on whether they want these programs to continue by voting Dems back in power. This, to me, is the only way Dems don't get steamrolled by the GOP at mid-terms.
Max Sterling
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They'll need someone to clean the grease off the robots... At least until they find a solution for that.
Wonder if there is a contract for that similar to the McDonalds ice cream machines.
I'm sure they will find some way to profit off that.
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Trump’s social network has 30 days to stop breaking the rules of its software license
It could face a lawsuit otherwise.
www.theverge.com
Not surprised. He is a criminal after all that so far could have gotten away with murder. Wonder if this will legal to to Trump's Conservative Social Network platform having it's license terminated.
I found out a little more about Flippy the Robot:
The robot can cost up to $3,000 a month. Miso expects to participate in a dozen pilots with top restaurant chains in the next few months.
www.cnbc.com
So fry cook at( $15/hour * 40 hours a week * 52 wks/yr)/12 = $2,600.
I realize there is a false equivalency here because the robot can obviously work longer hours than the human, but I really do wonder what start up costs + maintenance costs add up to in the service life of this robot and if they aren't trading one set of problems for another.
The robot can cost up to $3,000 a month. Miso expects to participate in a dozen pilots with top restaurant chains in the next few months.
Restaurants prep for long-term labor crunch by turning to robots to work the fryer, shuttle food to tables
Restaurants that are struggling to fill jobs are beginning to turn to robotic solutions to ease staffing challenges and to speed up operations.
So fry cook at( $15/hour * 40 hours a week * 52 wks/yr)/12 = $2,600.
I realize there is a false equivalency here because the robot can obviously work longer hours than the human, but I really do wonder what start up costs + maintenance costs add up to in the service life of this robot and if they aren't trading one set of problems for another.
I found out a little more about Flippy the Robot:
The robot can cost up to $3,000 a month. Miso expects to participate in a dozen pilots with top restaurant chains in the next few months.
Restaurants prep for long-term labor crunch by turning to robots to work the fryer, shuttle food to tables
Restaurants that are struggling to fill jobs are beginning to turn to robotic solutions to ease staffing challenges and to speed up operations.
So fry cook at( $15/hour * 40 hours a week * 52 wks/yr)/12 = $2,600.
I realize there is a false equivalency here because the robot can obviously work longer hours than the human, but I really do wonder what start up costs + maintenance costs add up to in the service life of this robot and if they aren't trading one set of problems for another.
Also energy usage too. I imagine flippy will drink a fair amount of juice from the grid. Plus how in hell does flippy deal with cook to order?
I found out a little more about Flippy the Robot:
The robot can cost up to $3,000 a month. Miso expects to participate in a dozen pilots with top restaurant chains in the next few months.
Restaurants prep for long-term labor crunch by turning to robots to work the fryer, shuttle food to tables
Restaurants that are struggling to fill jobs are beginning to turn to robotic solutions to ease staffing challenges and to speed up operations.
So fry cook at( $15/hour * 40 hours a week * 52 wks/yr)/12 = $2,600.
I realize there is a false equivalency here because the robot can obviously work longer hours than the human, but I really do wonder what start up costs + maintenance costs add up to in the service life of this robot and if they aren't trading one set of problems for another.
That's to get one initially. I'm sure as time goings on the price will come down.
Also, don't forget about healthcare. A full time employees healthcare can cost 2k to 3k a month for a family of 4.
Sure there are bound to be some part time employees as well. But if you take healthcare costs into consideration, Flippy is at least as expensive if not cheaper than having staff.
One of the things I have read is wages have been stagnant in part because of the increases in the cost of healthcare. And that you should think of your healthcare coverage as the raise you never got.
I say BS to that. Yes healthcare is ridiculously expensive. But what most people get for plans these days are complete shit. The system is broken. Fix it.
Do burger joints typically offer much in the way of employee healthcare benefits?
I think they are required by law to provide full time employees (anyone who works over 30 hours a week) healthcare benefits if they have 50 or more employees. I know that's the case in MA. Not sure if it's MA law or part of the Affordable Care Act or both.
So Joe Schmoes local burger shop is exempt. But the chains aren't.