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To the issue of controversy over the movie, Phillips confesses confusion. “I’m surprised… Isn’t it good to have these discussions? Isn’t it good to have these discussions about these movies, about violence? Why is that a bad thing if the movie does lead to a discourse about it?”

Okay, that's a good point; maybe this guy understands the cachet the Joker has in today's society and the minefield he's stepping into.

“I think it’s because outrage is a commodity, I think it’s something that has been a commodity for a while,” he said. “What’s outstanding to me in this discourse in this movie is how easily the far left can sound like the far right when it suits their agenda. It’s really been eye opening for me.”


Oh. Never fucking mind; this guy didn't consider anything before he jumped into making a Joker movie in 2019.
 
Joker is an S-tier comic movie. Joaquin is getting an Oscar. What an amazing film.
I sincerely doubt anyone will actually shoot up a theatre during this film's runtime. That situation is pretty clearly being hyped up by various media outlets so if something does happen they can report on it and get $$$ from clicks. The marketing is working pretty favorably for the film too, tho I doubt the Joker team is in cahoots with every outlet running this narrative.

Ironically its breaking some October opening records, which shows that people are definitely interested in seeing it even if the threat of a shooting is there.

Anyways, go and see it when you get a chance. Easily the best portrayal of the Joker yet, and by far the most realistic comic movie I've seen
I agree with everything you said . It was excellent.
 
I don’t think it’s correct to say Joker is a comic book movie. It has no real comic book elements to it other than existing in the world where there’s a Gotham City and the Waynes. It has no fantasy elements that a typical comic book movie does. It’s more a character study of a man’s further descent into madness. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It reminds me of movies from the 70s with its bleakness and gritty nature. Joaquin definitely went all out for the role.
 
I don’t think it’s correct to say Joker is a comic book movie. It has no real comic book elements to it other than existing in the world where there’s a Gotham City and the Waynes. It has no fantasy elements that a typical comic book movie does. It’s more a character study of a man’s further descent into madness. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It reminds me of movies from the 70s with its bleakness and gritty nature. Joaquin definitely went all out for the role.
But then what makes a Comic Book Movie! Is Ghost World a comic book movie? American Splendor?
 
Did you end up seeing it? I knew all the hype about shootings were just more nonsense from the media.
Saw it last night. On one hand, I don't think it does nearly enough to condemn the actions of its central character, and that giving Todd Philips of all people free reign to make a Joker film in 2019's climate was a reckless decision. But on the other hand the movie is bad enough to where it's not really worth debating about in the first place. It has no point in existing in any year, let alone 2019.
 
Did you end up seeing it? I knew all the hype about shootings were just more nonsense from the media.
The narrative around this movie has gotten really weird. It went from getting a standing ovation at Venice, to the weird stories about how “it’s a movie for incels who will shoot up the movie theaters, aaaahhhhhh!” All in about 0.5 seconds. Seems all a bit unnecessary to me.
 
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News outlets genuinely won't shut up about the possibility of a mass shooting inspired by it. It's like they're trying to will it into existence.



It's rated R, so I'd assume that any adult with at least a moderately formed brain that watched the film would realize that Joaquin's character was a villain. Phillip's didnt need to go any further in pointing that out because it was already obvious to begin with. The film is literally a new story about a famous batman villain.

As for the fearmongering about potential "sympathizers", Phillip's didn't make Joker agreeable in everything he did. Joker's character development is meant to explain why he became who he becomes at the end, not why you should cheer him on while he's doing the obviously bad shit he does. You can pity him while still denouncing his acts. In fact, I think the majority of the people that watch and understand this film will do just that.

There will be dummies that root for Joker, of course. Whether or not they actually do anything heinous is on them. Joker would be no more at fault for what it inspires than Doom or Marilyn Manson was for what happened at Columbine.

I wont bother trying to change the rest of your opinions cause its ultimately subjective. I just felt that you had the film misconstrued.



Anyways, if fucking Iron Man wins an oscar over Joaquin, I am checking out
It would disappoint me if Joaquin won the oscar. It's probably the most stacked year for the best actor category this decade, and he was good, but not that good.
 
who do u think should win? I havent watched much this year.
Hard for me to say 100% yet, since there are a good handful of oscar hype movies I have yet to see, but the best actor category can go so many ways

Leo Dicaprio - Once Upon a Time..
Robert De Niro - The Irishman
Adam Driver - Marriage Story
Matt Damon or Chirstian Bale - Ford V. Ferrari
Antonio Banderas - Pain & Glory
Adam Sandler - Uncut Gems
Jonathan Pryce - The Two Popes
Robert Pattinson - The Lighthouse
Joaquin - Joker
 
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